tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8192580971664762668.post1647834837795978574..comments2023-06-01T09:22:18.917+01:00Comments on Liturgiae Causa: Doing my rounds...Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8192580971664762668.post-38679789293041981452011-02-09T15:08:43.175+00:002011-02-09T15:08:43.175+00:00Patricius - I think you've found your spot.......Patricius - I think you've found your spot.....The Old Catholic Church is right up your street :)Richard Collinshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10826907710570316952noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8192580971664762668.post-61205122275250071972011-02-08T18:35:38.281+00:002011-02-08T18:35:38.281+00:00I've seen that picture many times. I'd mu...I've seen that picture many times. I'd much rather see the priests counting the stipends for saying an individual low mass, than the current practice of priests concelebrating and counting that for individual stipends. But I guess at that point it's like preferring to have a broken arm over a broken leg.Roberthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17505169382802309992noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8192580971664762668.post-14396835001027691682011-02-08T18:19:02.132+00:002011-02-08T18:19:02.132+00:00Another classic from 'Z' here.
I trust Pi...Another classic from 'Z' <a href="http://wdtprs.com/blog/2011/02/quaeritur-folded-chasuble/" rel="nofollow">here</a>.<br /><br />I trust Pimpernel will be as quick to pounce on 'Z' for his factual errors as he was on you Patricius.Rubricariushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05050302650867319277noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8192580971664762668.post-21008789367583765252011-02-08T18:03:07.889+00:002011-02-08T18:03:07.889+00:00From our website...
SUB-DEACON (Permanent): A la...From our website...<br /><br />SUB-DEACON (Permanent): A layman with a vocation to serve the Church as a cleric (meaning he is bound by Canonical Law and the recitation of the Divine Office) but not as a Sacred Minister (i.e. deacon or priest) who assists in the celebration of the solemn offering of the Liturgy of the Church (Mass, Offices and Rites) in the Sanctuary. A Sub-deacon may also fulfil a pastoral role in the parish assisting the clergy as directed and working alongside a Pastoral Worker sharing in pastoral provision. It is his special prerogative to read/sing the Epistle at High Mass whenever it is celebrated in the parish in which he resides and to assist in such capacity around the Diocese when invited to do so. Is also permitted to administer the Blessed Sacrament.Canon Jerome Lloyd OSJVhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10764146635659770019noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8192580971664762668.post-66872426307554194502011-02-08T17:44:54.604+00:002011-02-08T17:44:54.604+00:00Old Roman Catholicism does indeed retain the tradi...Old Roman Catholicism does indeed retain the tradition of a permanent subdiaconate...Canon Jerome Lloyd OSJVhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10764146635659770019noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8192580971664762668.post-62432402329119217342011-02-08T13:04:43.728+00:002011-02-08T13:04:43.728+00:00Canon Jerome, I wouldn't touch the SSPX or any...Canon Jerome, I wouldn't touch the SSPX or any traditionalist society with a mile-long barge pole; and since the Subdiaconate no longer exists in the Roman Church, having been suppressed by Paul VI almost 40 years ago, one would have to look elsewhere for the Subdiaconate. Trads would treat this as an inferior, transient sort of Order leading to the Priesthood rather than something permanent so Orthodoxy, or some other non-Western church, would be the answer...unless the Old Catholic Church ordains permanent Subdeacons :)Patrick Sheridanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07995907911415177074noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8192580971664762668.post-9301347002872367712011-02-08T11:17:14.115+00:002011-02-08T11:17:14.115+00:00"I have no vocation to the priesthood, though..."I have no vocation to the priesthood, though I am discerning a possible vocation to the Subdiaconate..." <br /><br />Who with...? The FSSP/SSPX/SSPV/CRMI/Orthodoxy?!Canon Jerome Lloyd OSJVhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10764146635659770019noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8192580971664762668.post-35110040825093982362011-02-08T09:25:03.504+00:002011-02-08T09:25:03.504+00:00Patricius, I had precisely the same reaction as yo...Patricius, I had precisely the same reaction as you to that photograph for largely the same reason.<br /><br />On the point of the subdiaconate, I do not know what opportunity there is for that within your own context but certainly as far as the role of the subdeacon goes in the Byzantine Rite - as one responsible for keeping the liturgy going and co-ordinating others' actions - you would be an excellent subdeacon. Your recollection and care for the detail of these things is an asset that you have that many actual subdeacons lack.<br /><br />I only fear your reaction to those who haven't been properly trained. :-DBbhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10989307876421460920noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8192580971664762668.post-33701279587047388042011-02-07T19:49:11.660+00:002011-02-07T19:49:11.660+00:00The photograph reminds me of the tableaux one used...The photograph reminds me of the tableaux one used to see in the arcades at the end of seaside piers, before the piers started to get burned down... In those arcades the tableaux depicting various scences were quite clever mechanical devices that were operated by inserting coins - usually the old penny - and then sprang into life.<br /><br />I wonder if one put a penny in a slot at the top of the altar the celebrants would all spring into action in a synchronised wave?Rubricariushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05050302650867319277noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8192580971664762668.post-15610191900575422132011-02-07T16:27:31.714+00:002011-02-07T16:27:31.714+00:00Wow... I'm this is pretty intense. In Columbus...Wow... I'm this is pretty intense. In Columbus, there's a chapter of the SSPX which holds hard and fast to the pre-62 changes. Then there's a group down the road from them called the SSPV (Society of St. Pius V) who basically hold to the Tridentine Mass, properly speaking, which was promulgated and hammered down immediately after the Council. The problem is that when any kind of intellectual discussion breaks out, the SSPX - not known for their radical leftist tendencies! - always smacks down the SSPV because they are so ideological. The primary purpose of the Church, which is the Salvation of Souls, finds no interest among them whatsoever.<br /><br />I won't claim to speak as if I know the authors of this blog or their intentions - that would be wildly presumptuous - but I would encourage any Catholic with technical skills to remember that the Evangelization of the Digital Continent (as Our Holy Father Benedict) has, as its primary purpose, the salvation of souls.<br /><br />St. Theresa of Avila, after all, who said that she would "give her life for the smallest rubric in the Roman Missal" was more concerned with saving souls than commenting on them. Just an encouragement.<br /><br />By the way, I know Fr. Zed, He has a STL in Patristics and has worked in the Roman Curia in various liturgical offices. He's a voracious reader and knows the liturgical history of the last 500 years as well as any liturgist out there. It's unwise to dismiss his learned commentary because of disagreement. Perhaps a dialogue makes more sense than a dismissal. Pax et Bonum<br /><br />Thanks for being out here on the digital continent!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8192580971664762668.post-1486164607336522842011-02-07T12:10:30.808+00:002011-02-07T12:10:30.808+00:00I have no vocation to the priesthood, though I am ...I have no vocation to the priesthood, though I am discerning a possible vocation to the Subdiaconate...Patrick Sheridanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07995907911415177074noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8192580971664762668.post-49718209664616320032011-02-07T10:03:21.837+00:002011-02-07T10:03:21.837+00:00Patricius - sorry to play the age card but, when y...Patricius - sorry to play the age card but, when you have spent most of your adult life being vilified by your fellow Catholics because you aspire to a traditional form of the faith and to having your children discriminated against at convent school, your rants do not stack up to much.<br />I am grateful that we have priests such as Fr Zee. Whether he is right or wrong about vespers or concelebration does not matter too much to me. He is on the right bus, that's what matters.Richard Collinshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10826907710570316952noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8192580971664762668.post-37863049248405227362011-02-07T00:10:30.717+00:002011-02-07T00:10:30.717+00:00Patricius, are you interested in the priesthood? A...Patricius, are you interested in the priesthood? As a priest you could actually do something about liturgy.Geraldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02204199533749851084noreply@blogger.com