tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8192580971664762668.post3208120908920003807..comments2023-06-01T09:22:18.917+01:00Comments on Liturgiae Causa: Weltjugendtag...Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8192580971664762668.post-14079405128132114252011-08-24T13:25:19.211+01:002011-08-24T13:25:19.211+01:00World Youth Day 2011 in Madrid was an absolute del...World Youth Day 2011 in Madrid was an absolute delight and it was a privilege to be with up to two million other young Catholics. Praised be Jesus Christ.Fr Joseph OPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05509188380610230333noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8192580971664762668.post-6475963709909427902011-08-21T23:21:38.364+01:002011-08-21T23:21:38.364+01:00Good natured of you to let that one go up though!Good natured of you to let that one go up though!Juventutem Londonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00256922371357529056noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8192580971664762668.post-52156924802114629222011-08-21T21:32:14.307+01:002011-08-21T21:32:14.307+01:00[Cue sneer from Patricius or someone else about Ju...[Cue sneer from Patricius or someone else about Juventutem, assuming that they have the first clue about and can generalise the ideas held in this heterogenous federation!]<br /><br />*blows rasberry*Juventutem Londonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00256922371357529056noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8192580971664762668.post-92217217777833417222011-08-21T05:46:34.054+01:002011-08-21T05:46:34.054+01:00Patricius, is anything ever chill with you? I mea...Patricius, is anything ever chill with you? I mean, every post is pretty much a critical rant ended with anathemata. Were you a peritus at Trent? <br /><br />C'mon, life is good! If its consensual, ethical, legal, and moral, try it once! If you want to go skydiving, just don't tell the life insurance broker.<br /><br />Whaddya expect at a youth festival? A William F. Buckley lecture? Of course there's going to be screaming, lunacy, perhaps indecency, and really bad Novus Ordo Masses with "Christian Rock". WYD is not really about ideology or religion. It's more a time to meet friends with like-minds. You and I might roll our eyes at poorly said Masses, but for the uncatechized it may be the first time that they've heard Mass as young adults. WYD is not for the connoisseur, and certainly not for the traditional believer (save the Juventutem tent). <br /><br />I prefer to travel alone. Just did Rome and Ostia on €40/day including my gelato addiction. Still, it's better to take WYD for what it's worth rather than bitch about it afterwards. Scrape up enough money and do your own travel instead. I've been to England, but after a few near-death experiences at crosswalks I'm reticent about returning.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8192580971664762668.post-35995448886351382822011-08-20T18:22:58.805+01:002011-08-20T18:22:58.805+01:00I grew up in Roma, cittá eterna. So i am perhaps b...I grew up in Roma, cittá eterna. So i am perhaps biased, when i say, that for me Rome is and ever shall be the most beautiful, the most welcoming, the most inspiring city of the world. One should not judge a city by the faults of its past and present Popes! I love Baroque, and i appreciate all the ecclesiastical styles of art and architecture of the past 2000 years; how much, depends more upon the inidividual church or statue or painting, than the name of the style. I draw tha line in early XXth century, however, after which there is no art nor architecture worhty of the name. Baroaque is beautiful, and has its own thoelogy behind it, but no already existing church should have been redone in Baroque: each style is worhty to be preserved and cultivated for its own merits. Each style bespeaks an aspect of the Divine which the others ignore or only hint at. Rome still has many many churches in the original pre-Baroque style: Santa Maria in Cosmedin, Santa PRassede (my favourtie), Santa Maria Ara Coeli, Santi Cosma e Damiano, Santa Sabina, San GIovanni Rotondo, Santi Sergio e Bacco, Santa Maria sopra MInverva, Sant'Alessio, Sant'Agnese sulla via NOmentana, San Clemente, San Sebastiano, etc. etc. Etc. Roma is truly worth a visit by both Catholic and non-Catholic alike. OVer the ages Rome has attracted poets, artists, writers, princes, queens, sinners, saints, jews, protestants, eastern orthodox as well as Catholics. Many conversions have taken place there, such as of the Jew ALphonse Ratisbonne at Sant'Andrea. THere are places outside ROma of extreme interest, such as TRE Fontane, Villa Adriana, Ostia ANtica. When i was young, I used to hope to breathe my last breath at the fountain in Piazza ai Santa Maria in Trastevere, gazing upon the extradordinary facade. A bit romantic, but a pious wish that i still should like if it would happen to come about that way.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8192580971664762668.post-24973496066740556742011-08-18T09:48:14.072+01:002011-08-18T09:48:14.072+01:00There's quite a nice, if understated, FSSP cha...There's quite a nice, if understated, FSSP chapel in the centre of Cologne, on Rolandstrasse....Dominichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00145734042272196687noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8192580971664762668.post-73544628694347107512011-08-17T22:49:47.897+01:002011-08-17T22:49:47.897+01:00I have vivid memories of WYD 2005 - particularly t...I have vivid memories of WYD 2005 - particularly the harrowing experience of being shoved round the Cathedral without really being able to venerate the relics and being told not to worry about it as it probably wasn't the Magi anyway and just a mediaeval invention! My devotion to Pope Benedict (I was very, well, what you would call "ultramontane" then) was all that sustained me...<br /><br />Tom: I was last in Rome with a dear Anglican-priest friend and forced him to trail round all the "ancient" churches (he preferred the Baroque!). It is really quite upsetting because a great number have been damaged by Renaissance (and later) "improvement" (as Evagrius points out this is often where ceilings have been replaced and mosaics damaged). However, Evagrius is quite right, there is much to see that is ancient and beautiful. I recommend Santa Maria Trastevere, as it has very wonderful Byzantine apse mosaics (although a hideous baroque ceiling) probably some of the last of that style where you are also able to see the beginnings of the Gothic. And Trastevere itself is delightful. St John Lateran is well worth a visit - it has a wonderful baptistry attached with some great IV century mosaics (unfortunately obscured by a huge Bernini-esque altar) and of course the Scala Sancta with its remarkable little chapel of the acheiropoieta at the top. Climbing this ancient way (though of course resited in the late XVI century - a necessity as their previous location was ruinous) to reach the holy chapel is quite an experience.Christopherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05705761696437705220noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8192580971664762668.post-59126224078496605642011-08-17T20:22:52.571+01:002011-08-17T20:22:52.571+01:00Thanks for the tips, Evagrius Ponticus. Perhaps I ...Thanks for the tips, Evagrius Ponticus. Perhaps I should give Rome a try one day.Tomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06820001463809982324noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8192580971664762668.post-51286701680601874732011-08-17T18:51:11.887+01:002011-08-17T18:51:11.887+01:00Tom L: Certainly, most of the major churches have ...Tom L: Certainly, most of the major churches have been baroque-ified, but there are a few which have survived: St Paul-Without-the-Walls seems pretty well untouched, St Mary Major only seems to have a baroque baldacchino, the exterior and crypt aside. <br /><br />St Clement's appears to be almost entirely in tact. The flat of the roof appears to have been redone in a baroque manner, but I'm not sure I could tell it from neoclassical, and the dome at the back of the church appears to have its original mosaic.<br /><br />Sant Antonio di Padova in Via Merulana doesn't look too bad, for an (18th c.?) church. Stanta Balbina appears to be not only largely untouched, but largely unecorated. <br /><br />These are just a few. The point is: There's a lot of hideous baroque in Rome (of which I think the worst example is the hideous Gesu), but there are still some ancient (and not so ancient), beautiful churches around. Though, naturally, they're not the ones the tourist guides will lead you to.<br /><br />Patricius, I didn't think you'd approve of the rosary, given that it's a 'peasant' devotion..https://www.blogger.com/profile/04611694996611765479noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8192580971664762668.post-32385337159463110692011-08-17T16:35:22.563+01:002011-08-17T16:35:22.563+01:00Tom L, there was a Baroque church in Cologne dedic...Tom L, there was a Baroque church in Cologne dedicated to St Andrew which at the time I was quite fond of. Curiously we only went in there to escape a brief drizzle of rain, but the Rosary was being prayed in Spanish, in which we all partook. Our chaplaincy team leader Javier was half-Spanish. It was quite dim, but this could have been just the dull day.<br /><br />I have other genuinely fond memories of Cologne which I will not elaborate here, though.Patrick Sheridanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07995907911415177074noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8192580971664762668.post-88341138601068291202011-08-17T15:56:56.302+01:002011-08-17T15:56:56.302+01:00I've had the pleasure of wandering around free...I've had the pleasure of wandering around freely in Cologne cathedral at a normal day on a school trip. Sadly, I didn't get to visit the other churches there.<br /><br />Concerning the WYD, I was invited last year to a gathering for Altar servers in Rome, and to the WYD this year. I refused both times. I'd rather go on a normal pilgrimage. <br /><br />I've never liked those tacky Vatican flags and the obsession about it's statehood. I'd prefer it to be a monastic semi-autonomous province of Italy, like Athos in Greece. To be honest, I don't really have any intent of ever going to Rome for visiting churches. Most of them are probably those bland baroque thingies. The Basilica of St. John Lateran has some nice mosaics, and reminds me a little bit of Saint Paul's in London, but that's about it. Most older non-baroque churches have probably been baroquified.Tomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06820001463809982324noreply@blogger.com