tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8192580971664762668.post6688382834393299354..comments2023-06-01T09:22:18.917+01:00Comments on Liturgiae Causa: Saints and Fables, Part I...Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger18125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8192580971664762668.post-34324465274523689402015-02-10T00:06:30.424+00:002015-02-10T00:06:30.424+00:00As a life long devotee of the Cult of the Sacred P...As a life long devotee of the Cult of the Sacred Pancreas of Saint Perschnildagutt I have been spared frequent dyspepsia which would have exacerbated my perpetually splenetic temperament. Prior Martinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15676817526437140998noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8192580971664762668.post-83770969087666881902015-02-09T19:31:13.739+00:002015-02-09T19:31:13.739+00:00Oh yes. I love St. Philomena. I pray to her regula...Oh yes. I love St. Philomena. I pray to her regularly.Matthew Celestinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02874430461346560520noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8192580971664762668.post-51989403602426132232015-02-09T19:25:53.400+00:002015-02-09T19:25:53.400+00:00Do you have a devotion to Philomena, then?Do you have a devotion to Philomena, then?Patrick Sheridanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07995907911415177074noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8192580971664762668.post-66090921210334428252015-02-09T18:46:58.902+00:002015-02-09T18:46:58.902+00:00'Et tuam ipsius animam pertransiet gladius ut ...'Et tuam ipsius animam pertransiet gladius ut revelentur ex multis cordibus cogitationes.'Pilgrim Foolhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11817688243257346175noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8192580971664762668.post-86247539877227083082015-02-09T18:33:12.000+00:002015-02-09T18:33:12.000+00:00The testimony of Saint Philomena is in the powers ...The testimony of Saint Philomena is in the powers of her prayers and intercessions.Matthew Celestinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02874430461346560520noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8192580971664762668.post-56530994849817356612015-02-09T18:31:15.563+00:002015-02-09T18:31:15.563+00:00Even very simple people speak of heart in a much d...Even very simple people speak of heart in a much deeper sense than of a muscular organ that pumps blood around the body.Matthew Celestinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02874430461346560520noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8192580971664762668.post-88854342014091311952015-02-09T18:10:53.079+00:002015-02-09T18:10:53.079+00:00As a counter-point, His divinized flesh is her fle...As a counter-point, His divinized flesh is her flesh.A. T. Wallacehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02816243030572765014noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8192580971664762668.post-89314971655755620132015-02-09T17:49:20.015+00:002015-02-09T17:49:20.015+00:00I can understand the difference you identify betwe...I can understand the difference you identify between the hearts of Jesus and Mary but I don't really see a moral difference between either cult. They both seem to have much the same "status," to me. Don't let's forget the risible practice at exposition of the Sacrament of reciting the Litany of the B.V.M.Patrick Sheridanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07995907911415177074noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8192580971664762668.post-43190419771401018922015-02-09T17:14:11.314+00:002015-02-09T17:14:11.314+00:00I understand the devotion to the Sacred Heart. I d...I understand the devotion to the Sacred Heart. I disagree with the devotion's elevation to liturgical status. Now, what I do find bizarre is the devotion (and liturgical cult) to the Immaculate Heart of Mary. In virtue of the hypostatic union, the human heart of Jesus exists with the Divine Act of Esse and is worthy of adoration...together with his entire, complete human nature; the heart of Mary is a purely human heart and has a created subsistence. Abstracting the heart of Mary from her immaculate, all-holy person is just strange.A. T. Wallacehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02816243030572765014noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8192580971664762668.post-33408741229997150362015-02-09T15:29:13.490+00:002015-02-09T15:29:13.490+00:00Nottingham had Office for a brief period under a p...Nottingham had Office for a brief period under a particular bishop. A deceased friend of mine who was an ORC priest used to visit as a teenager and thought the Office was wonderful.Rubricariushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05050302650867319277noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8192580971664762668.post-44395233033871641652015-02-09T15:15:25.892+00:002015-02-09T15:15:25.892+00:00Do you remember the quote from Angela's Ashes?...Do you remember the quote from Angela's Ashes? "Why is the man's heart on fire?"Patrick Sheridanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07995907911415177074noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8192580971664762668.post-60269968205470216812015-02-09T15:14:41.958+00:002015-02-09T15:14:41.958+00:00I say excellence only in a comparative sense. No o...I say excellence only in a comparative sense. No other cathedral kept regular Office in choir until the mid-1960's. Some of the offices were only recited or monotoned. But it was something.Patrick Sheridanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07995907911415177074noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8192580971664762668.post-4483964421318437082015-02-09T14:42:32.341+00:002015-02-09T14:42:32.341+00:00Well, you know, if the bad boy of the parish is ta...Well, you know, if the bad boy of the parish is taken, a young lady looks around and asks herself who she wants. She passes over all the decent young men with jobs and stuff, and decides she wants Jesus. Many of these devotions are really about Jesus the boyfriend, not about God. God is the God of the living. I suspect He's quite upset about these since they tend to result in fewer living.Augusthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08758314961163692341noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8192580971664762668.post-9241561132784633312015-02-09T12:21:39.008+00:002015-02-09T12:21:39.008+00:00I suppose Westminster Cathedral is rather peculiar...I suppose Westminster Cathedral is rather peculiar, and looks more Italian than English. But I find it to be a rather tasteful adaptation of the Byzantine revival, from the photographs, even if it isn't suited to England, what can't be said of the Sacré-Cœur. Then again, as an art historian I might look at it differently than you.<br /><br />I recall you mentioning the former liturgical excellence of Westminster in some older posts on your blog.Tomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06820001463809982324noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8192580971664762668.post-700771470320022202015-02-09T11:22:38.913+00:002015-02-09T11:22:38.913+00:00Westminster Cathedral is not a nice church. Having...Westminster Cathedral is not a nice church. Having said that, it was once a centre of liturgical excellence. A friend of mine knew Mgr Bartlett, some time provost, who said that he was proud to have been a part of that tradition, cut down by Cardinal Heenan (he of the misunderstood indult).Patrick Sheridanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07995907911415177074noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8192580971664762668.post-13584836461781538582015-02-09T11:19:50.406+00:002015-02-09T11:19:50.406+00:00I doubt that was the raison-d'être. The pionee...I doubt that was the raison-d'être. The pioneer of the devotion was an illiterate woman.Patrick Sheridanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07995907911415177074noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8192580971664762668.post-51618896242893417792015-02-09T10:57:09.203+00:002015-02-09T10:57:09.203+00:00John Vianney was very devoted to Philomena. This m...John Vianney was very devoted to Philomena. This might be the main reason her cult survives, even though she was removed from most calendars in the 60s. The last time I visited Ars, a lot of kitschy souvenirs were dedicated to her. I barely see her outside of that context. That the Catholic Encyclopedia dared to reject her is a testament to its continued value, despite the excessive ultramontanism in certain articles.<br /><br />Joan of Arc wrote a rather nasty letter to the Hussites, if I recall correctly. Jan Hus is actually considered a martyr by some Eastern Orthodox churches. <br /><br />I wouldn't say the Sacré-Cœur is the ugliest church in Paris, even though it isn't built well and the domes are hideous. At least it is recognizable as a church. There is one in La Défense that isn't recognizable at all. I can't think of any Church that implements the "Romanesque-Byzantine" style worse than the Sacré-Cœur, though. I hope to visit Westminster Cathedral sometime, to see if it truly is as majestic as the pictures make it seem.<br /><br />P.S.: As a Belgian I would like to apologize for the the Sacred Heart devotion. It was Saint Ludgardis of Tongeren who pioneered this devotion.Tomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06820001463809982324noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8192580971664762668.post-9409860577911741452015-02-09T10:47:26.041+00:002015-02-09T10:47:26.041+00:00Not because I'm a participant in the devotion....Not because I'm a participant in the devotion... but - isn't it possible that "the heart" stands for the Hypostatic Union in people's devotion as it is the only part of the body that (generally) is taken as a symbol of the whole body & soul?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com