tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8192580971664762668.post9061826120146120823..comments2023-06-01T09:22:18.917+01:00Comments on Liturgiae Causa: Mozarabic liturgy...Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8192580971664762668.post-70817886475569909432015-04-23T05:04:56.584+01:002015-04-23T05:04:56.584+01:00Not sure what you mean by this, Dale. There varia...Not sure what you mean by this, Dale. There variants between Russian and Greek, and even Antiochian praxis,even in priestly vestments (high Russian and low Greek phelonions e.g.) and different saints are commemorated according to their various ranking in different jurisdictions.<br /><br />As to diversity, the rubrics for promoskedia are much the same, whether one uses a large prosphora or five smaller ones. Ah diversity!<br /><br />Still I can't see your pumping 'no liturgical diversity' thing here.<br />And then there is the music, and various ways of doing the Great Entrance.<br />My humble OCA parish goes all around the church whilst 'real' russians go out the north door and sneak in the middle doors. Ho hum.<br />Rdr. James Morgan<br />Olympia WA<br />why not just go back to being Anglican and leave us easterners alone?Auriel Ragmonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08395216240172741261noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8192580971664762668.post-73800310396304597562015-04-21T17:52:02.619+01:002015-04-21T17:52:02.619+01:00Vlad is quite correct. When one compares Rome to B...Vlad is quite correct. When one compares Rome to Byzantium, Rome seems to flourish as a paragon of liturgical diversity. There is absolutely no liturgical diversity in Byzantium at all. Dalehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01232162218034432274noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8192580971664762668.post-44826440031099843992015-04-20T22:29:37.280+01:002015-04-20T22:29:37.280+01:00Sadly, this obsession with liturgical uniformity i...Sadly, this obsession with liturgical uniformity isn't restricted to Rome. There was a similar 'We are the Borg' tendency in Byzantium. Also, remember the fanatical oppression of the Old Believers in Russia. Vlad the Impalahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14239138210398286008noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8192580971664762668.post-23303965160161143572015-04-20T11:04:53.934+01:002015-04-20T11:04:53.934+01:00Well, the almost complete extinction of this glori...Well, the almost complete extinction of this <b>glorious</b> (as a Spaniard, I must underline it) rite has more to do with the will of the kings than that of the popes, and with current politics that with religious issues. Indeed, that liturgy did not die in the XI century even in the north: I've been told (but not able to check the fact) that still ca. 1200 Innocence III wrote to Alfonso IX, king of León, complying that most of the Leonese churches still celebrated according to the "hispanic use", and menaced him on political grounds because of that.<br /><br />On the other hand, I am quite pessimist on the restoration of this Liturgy: in fact, by the Middle Ages it had splitted into two traditions, A (the Northern one, that of the kingdom of León) and B (that of the Mozarabic people under Islamic rule), which had different calendars and Mass and Office propers. In addition, the order of the Mass is lost: what we call "Mozarabic order" is actually the order of a hybrid rite (the Toletan one) with just some genuine Hispanic relics. Last but not least, the 1980s reformers mixed at will elements from the two traditions (whose remains are indeed scarce) while suppressing those which were too different from the novus ordo Roman rite. So the new Mozarabic liturgy has almost nothing to do with the old, genuine one, of which we know just some basic features.<br /><br />Sadly its restoration is nowadays impossible, I think...Ἰουστινιανόςhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00853873178362328543noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8192580971664762668.post-79547654575192123622015-04-19T20:32:57.358+01:002015-04-19T20:32:57.358+01:00This website has a great deal of information about...This website has a great deal of information about the Mozarabic Missal in use today.<br /><br />http://www.hispanomozarabe.es/Liturgia/Renov/Miss01-01.htm#inicioMichaelDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07895985451465899437noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8192580971664762668.post-6587528150674347432015-04-19T18:36:21.084+01:002015-04-19T18:36:21.084+01:00I know nary a thing about it as well; I am simply ...I know nary a thing about it as well; I am simply going off New Liturgical Movement's post on the subject. Is there not a blog out there (perhaps now defunct? I do not remember) about the Mozarabic liturgy?Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13240425842855092083noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8192580971664762668.post-32335268799208026682015-04-19T14:34:08.702+01:002015-04-19T14:34:08.702+01:00I know almost nothing of Mozarabic liturgical refo...I know almost nothing of Mozarabic liturgical reform, custom or history. All I know is that, like the Ambrosian rite, it has come dangerously close to extinction throughout its long history. And for no cause but the will of popes.Patrick Sheridanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07995907911415177074noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8192580971664762668.post-64962357913385616552015-04-19T06:29:10.446+01:002015-04-19T06:29:10.446+01:00Well the Mozarabic liturgy was "brought up to...Well the Mozarabic liturgy was "brought up to date" after Vatican II by John Paul II, so I would imagine that Rite is what will occur. I believe John Paul II himself offered it after publishing the new Mass ritual.Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13240425842855092083noreply@blogger.com