tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8192580971664762668.post3668104869512647258..comments2023-06-01T09:22:18.917+01:00Comments on Liturgiae Causa: Sacramental validity...Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8192580971664762668.post-7468489942554983372010-08-26T06:23:05.866+01:002010-08-26T06:23:05.866+01:00engineman: Me too! Sadly I went through that odd...engineman: Me too! Sadly I went through that odd phase of giving away everything Anglican when I converted. Now all I'm left with is an old battered copy of Dearmer...<br /><br />Patricius: But you never answered my question! ;-p Isn't there scope or traditions to live and die (abolishment of things), or do you want liturgy to always accrete? (Serious question; I'm not trying to be mean.)Markhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17605146531776846589noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8192580971664762668.post-15724992173255539022010-08-25T23:19:46.668+01:002010-08-25T23:19:46.668+01:00Tawser, thanks for your comment.
The photo depict...Tawser, thanks for your comment.<br /><br />The photo depicts a Palm Sunday procession according to the new rubrics which came into force in 1956. The Ministers (all four of them - there will be a separate Subdeacon Crucifer, bearing an unveiled cross) are wearing red vestments, the Deacon in dalmatic and the Subdeacons in tunicles. However, if they were doing things properly there would be no separate Subdeacon Crucifer, and the Ministers would be wearing violet folded chasubles, which Pius XII abolished. My point here is that using the liturgical books of 1962 is just as abusive of Liturgy as waving a tambourine during an Offertory hymn and having postcommunion dances...<br /><br />For a thorough critique and comparison of the changes of Palm Sunday, which arguably suffered most under Pius XII, consult the St Lawrence Press blog.Patrick Sheridanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07995907911415177074noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8192580971664762668.post-86835370597810475542010-08-25T18:45:21.796+01:002010-08-25T18:45:21.796+01:00I am an ex-Novus Ordo RC, now Orthodox. My experie...I am an ex-Novus Ordo RC, now Orthodox. My experience of the traditional Roman rite is limited. So bearing that in mind, I can't help asking, ahem, what the hell is so wrong in the second photo?Tawserhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12823690750419031274noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8192580971664762668.post-27388693957395640142010-08-25T06:46:20.665+01:002010-08-25T06:46:20.665+01:00Patricius:
If rights and wrongs in the ars celebr...Patricius:<br /><br />If rights and wrongs in the ars celebrandi influence the validity, how then do we view liturgies such as the Post-'56 Palm Sunday rite, or the Novus Ordo Mass. Their texts have been promulgated, etc. Surely, therefore we must view them more favourably than the 'invented' ones which the first photo may be an example of?<br /><br />I'm not necessarily disputing what you say, but contrasting 'invented' liturgies by those Priests and Bishops who believe they can modify the liturgy at whim, versus texts that have been approved for use by the Holy See. (Note: I'm not debating whether the Holy See is correct or not, rather the difference between invention and following a prescribed method.)Markhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17605146531776846589noreply@blogger.com