tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8192580971664762668.post3865311426178509764..comments2023-06-01T09:22:18.917+01:00Comments on Liturgiae Causa: Ephesus...Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8192580971664762668.post-290436843124125512014-04-29T19:04:18.689+01:002014-04-29T19:04:18.689+01:00By rejecting Nestorius, that Christ was a mere mor...By rejecting Nestorius, that Christ was a mere mortal at birth, but proclaiming Him to be God at birth, Mary by an extension is the Mother of God. Theotokos. Thus, the prayer recited by Catholics, "Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners."<br />GWQhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06360410254384550862noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8192580971664762668.post-45261030319015041772014-04-29T01:04:41.499+01:002014-04-29T01:04:41.499+01:00I thought that the word that Nestorius preferred w...I thought that the word that Nestorius preferred was "Christotokos," and that "Anthropotokos" was what his opponents interpreted it as meaning.William Tighehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16634494183165592707noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8192580971664762668.post-32561889933788782472014-04-28T19:18:35.201+01:002014-04-28T19:18:35.201+01:00Ah right, then I see what you mean. Son of God and...Ah right, then I see what you mean. Son of God and Son of Man. Thank you, Patricius! Markhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17605146531776846589noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8192580971664762668.post-74432387964044952282014-04-28T19:16:45.662+01:002014-04-28T19:16:45.662+01:00I don't mind if men call St Mary Theotokos; it...I don't mind if men call St Mary Theotokos; it would be unorthodox not to...but it is equally true that she is Anthropotokos because of the two natures in Christ.<br /><br />My point is that the Council issued no dogmatic decrees or definitions and so it is misleading to say that the Council "defined" St Mary as Theotokos.Patrick Sheridanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07995907911415177074noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8192580971664762668.post-70047470692712887792014-04-28T11:46:23.483+01:002014-04-28T11:46:23.483+01:00Then why is it said that the following (St Cyril o...Then why is it said that the following (St Cyril of Alexandria to Nestorius) was read out and approved by the Council at Ephesus?<br /><br />"For we do not say that the nature of the Word was changed and made flesh, nor yet that it was changed into the whole man (composed) of soul and body but rather (we say) that the Word, in an ineffable and inconceivable manner, having hypostatically united to Himself flesh animated by a rational soul, became Man and was called the Son of Man, not according to the will alone or by the assumption of a person alone, and that the different natures were brought together in a real union, but that out of both in one Christ and Son, not because the distinction of natures was destroyed by the union, but rather because the divine nature and the human nature formed one Lord and Christ and Son for us, through a marvellous and mystical concurrence in unity. . . . For it was no ordinary man who was first born of the Holy Virgin and upon whom the Word afterwards descended; but being united from the womb itself He is said to have undergone flesh birth, claiming as His own the birth of His own flesh. Thus [the holy Fathers] did not hesitate to speak of the holy Virgin as the Mother of God."<br /><br />Why do you mind if we call her <i>Theotokos</i>? I'd rather do that than assert she bore just a man.<br /><br />[Not trying to be waspish; just trying to understand your point(s).]Markhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17605146531776846589noreply@blogger.com