tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8192580971664762668.post6909862174603173339..comments2023-06-01T09:22:18.917+01:00Comments on Liturgiae Causa: Patrimony...Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8192580971664762668.post-76649507783893117742012-03-18T15:57:37.572+00:002012-03-18T15:57:37.572+00:00"What has become of him?"
Nothing has; h...<i>"What has become of him?"</i><br />Nothing has; he has been hung out to dry. And the fact that this situation has been allowed to continue is evidence of either a pathetic powerlessness or a disgraceful unwillingness on the part of the Ordinariate to put matters right.Little Black Sambohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16699227938165106710noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8192580971664762668.post-27451952697936856072012-03-18T05:26:29.857+00:002012-03-18T05:26:29.857+00:00ah, if old Popey had offered 72 virgins aswell, fo...ah, if old Popey had offered 72 virgins aswell, for the murder of the queen; perhaps he'd have had more takers.bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07640982011003835802noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8192580971664762668.post-28499986523634885842012-03-15T23:06:32.209+00:002012-03-15T23:06:32.209+00:00Did you even read my original post? Let me put it ...Did you even read my original post? Let me put it in the form of a question. What can't the pope do?Tawserhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12823690750419031274noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8192580971664762668.post-84358513841747680052012-03-15T18:54:24.736+00:002012-03-15T18:54:24.736+00:00I'm not nor have I ever been ultramontane, and...I'm not nor have I ever been ultramontane, and I'm no Protestant.<br /><br />And no, Tawser, "I don't understand why so many people are so stupid to realize how ridiculous their so-called church is" is not an argument nor an effective evangelization tool. Isn't that what you want to do? Evangelize us? Or do you think God will be happy with snark?<br /><br />You don't have to become a Protestant to be a protestant. Not all ex-Catholic Eastern Orthodox are protestant; I've met a good number who did not bring their baggage with them.Geraldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02204199533749851084noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8192580971664762668.post-59695637665044751792012-03-15T15:45:50.209+00:002012-03-15T15:45:50.209+00:00James C., I don't know straw man you are refer...James C., I don't know straw man you are referring to. Perhaps if you would engage in actual argument instead of glib meaningless bon mots it might help. So everyone who isn't an ultramontane Roman Catholic is a Protestant? Is that your actual argument? So St. Photius was a Lutheran avant le lettre? And you accuse ME of constructing straw men? And Alex, how does the so-called servility of the Orthodox church to the state (another threadbare caricature) effect the substance of the Faith? Can Putin alter the creed? Could Tsar Nicholas II scrap the Liturgy of St. John Chrysostom and replace it with the Liturgy of St. Grigorii Rasputin? The only time the Russian state ever interfered with the Tradition of the church was during during the time of Patriarch Nikhon, and that only effected rubrics, not dogma. Apples and oranges, friend, apples and oranges.Tawserhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12823690750419031274noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8192580971664762668.post-83366520532256287132012-03-14T15:20:07.582+00:002012-03-14T15:20:07.582+00:00Mr Ferrara must have been around since the Council...Mr Ferrara must have been around since the Council of the same name but visibly missed the cab.Osmund Kilrule https://www.blogger.com/profile/07031929350172992367noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8192580971664762668.post-522825643834862862012-03-14T08:00:01.658+00:002012-03-14T08:00:01.658+00:00Tawser,
"I agree with everything you have sa...Tawser,<br /><br />"I agree with everything you have said and the ability of Roman Catholics to ignore the obvious baffles me. When an RC uses the word Tradition what he really means is "what the current pope teaches today." If the same pope teaches something else completely different tomorrow, then that will be Tradition tomorrow. No objective substance or content. Michael Davies once wrote about the priest who received him into the Roman Church praising the traditional rite for its antiquity and universality. When the Novus Ordo was introduced the same priest told him, "Well, thank God all that old rubbish is gone." That is the attitude one has to cultivate to be an RC, and pardon me for finding it more than a trifle batty. What would they do if a pope went mad and announced from the balcony of St. Peter's that there was no God but Allah and Muhammad is his prophet. Starting buying prayer rugs, that is what they would do."<br /><br />Nice job with the idiotic strawman. Methinks we are not the batty ones here. You're sounding like a good Protestant these days. Better to be a good *something*, I suppose.Geraldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02204199533749851084noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8192580971664762668.post-28136523162147624862012-03-13T23:50:05.304+00:002012-03-13T23:50:05.304+00:00Bone Patricii,
in your posting you mention Father ...Bone Patricii,<br />in your posting you mention Father Hunwicke. What has become of him? Do you know? At his weblog for the past couple weeks there is this old posting regarding his rejection at that time for priestly ordination in the Catholic CHurch: 9 June 2011 - June 9 1968 <br />I think I had better share with my friends the distressing news that my ordination within the Catholic Church has been "deferred".<br />But had'nt his situation changed for the better? Please inform me of his present-day status, if you know. <br />Thanking you in advance,<br />AlbertusAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8192580971664762668.post-83625599917368938132012-03-13T21:39:05.023+00:002012-03-13T21:39:05.023+00:00In what sense was Queen Elisabeth II ''Ble...In what sense was Queen Elisabeth II ''Blessed""? Which ecclesisastical Authority has bequeatehd this title upon her? As for the christmas tree, i have never seen it worhsipped in a Catholic church. It is a German Lutheran invention, and spread firstly in protestant lands, and only very recently has begun to take root even in catholic lands, such as Italy. When i was growing up in Rome, there was no Christmas tree in homes or churches, nor anywhere else. The ITalians set up a Presepio (or Presepe)- that is, a Creche with the figures of the Blessed Virgin , Saint Joseph and the newborn God Jesus - in their churches, piazze, and sometimes homes. In Italy the flower called ''stella di natale'' is often used to decorate churches and homes at christmastide. But no christmas tree, until quite recnetly: an oecumenical import.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8192580971664762668.post-32913225605396693982012-03-12T23:00:27.977+00:002012-03-12T23:00:27.977+00:00Tawser, I don't which of the quarrels-with-bor...Tawser, I don't which of the quarrels-with-borders among the many Orthodox churches you belong to, but this blog is written by an Englishman; you and your kith and kin would have been no more welcome in England under Bloody Bess' penal laws than Catholics were. Do you have icons in your church? Not so many of those left over from the Merry Old England of Sarum days, are there?<br /><br />So in your case, Catholics are to be reproached for their excessive servility to the whims of the Pope, and Orthodox are to be praised for their excessive servility to the whims of Caesar (Kaiser, Tsar, Valdimir Putin, whatever.) Why exactly was there no Patriarch in Moscow between 1721 and 1917?Alex Ferrarahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11967379435284682150noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8192580971664762668.post-68245559805742689332012-03-12T22:52:08.086+00:002012-03-12T22:52:08.086+00:00Patricius, we have never met. Please understand th...Patricius, we have never met. Please understand that I think that all of the things that you consider important about our liturgical patrimony are also important, and I cringe at what has been done to the liturgy by recent and not so recent Popes and lots of other people (including many Anglicans and basically all protestants). Nevertheless, the Keys of the Fisherman are in his hands; God will put this all right in His time, and we may not protest that He has put us in this era to do our part for His Church.Alex Ferrarahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11967379435284682150noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8192580971664762668.post-32374298546275841412012-03-12T16:45:30.454+00:002012-03-12T16:45:30.454+00:00Speaking of patrimony, you forgot to mention Pope ...Speaking of patrimony, you forgot to mention Pope St. Gregory I's rejection of the title "Ecumenical Patriarch" in favor of "Servant of the Servants of God" because he believed that the former might imply some sort of claim to supremacy over other bishops. Can a Pope then infallibly reject Vatican I?Hanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11449078230379488480noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8192580971664762668.post-89888176849921886032012-03-11T22:35:35.995+00:002012-03-11T22:35:35.995+00:00Alex, I'm Orthodox, not Anglican. The beam won...Alex, I'm Orthodox, not Anglican. The beam won't fit into my eye so I suggest you put it somewhere else.Tawserhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12823690750419031274noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8192580971664762668.post-50698975922800632192012-03-11T21:27:37.898+00:002012-03-11T21:27:37.898+00:00Alex, do I know you? You remind me of someone I me...Alex, do I know you? You remind me of someone I met at the London Oratory a few years ago...Patrick Sheridanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07995907911415177074noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8192580971664762668.post-62136723663214381762012-03-11T19:51:41.495+00:002012-03-11T19:51:41.495+00:00"When an RC uses the word Tradition what he r..."When an RC uses the word Tradition what he really means is 'what the current pope teaches today.' "<br />And when an Anglican uses the word Tradition, what he really means is 'the antependium I like today'. Every single member of Bloody Bess' Chaplaincy Corps is completely free to embrace every one of the Catholic teachings cited above, and completely free to reject every one of the 39 Articles and every basic doctrine of Christianity. So Catholics are to be reproached for their excessive servility to the whims of the Pope, and Anglicans are to be praised for their excessive servility to the whims of the entire world.<br /><br />The beam in your collective eye is about the same size as the Tyburn Tree.Alex Ferrarahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11967379435284682150noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8192580971664762668.post-57045040712237514942012-03-11T19:21:27.506+00:002012-03-11T19:21:27.506+00:00I must say I was bemused to read the enthusiasm on...I must say I was bemused to read the enthusiasm on some blogs for the Ordinariate's calendar. It appears to be a hybrid between the 1962 calendar for the Temporal cycle - although the September Ember days will fall on their traditional days and be a week out with the 1962 people in some years (has any one in Rome realized that?) - and the 1969 Roman calendar for the Sanctoral cycle with the addition of St. John before the Latin Gate being allowed back in on May 6th. What 'patrimony' is this? What about the BCP Kalendar which, as Fr. Hunwicke was always pointing out when he able to blog, was essentially the same patrimony as the Roman and Sarum rites with some tweakings? Quite disgraceful IMHO to see SS Philip and James stuck on May 3rd rather than the Kalends which they had been celebrated on for a millenium or thereabouts. The Anglican Patrimony to have Joe the Worker? Spare us please!Rubricariushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05050302650867319277noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8192580971664762668.post-21675635430725925762012-03-11T15:57:08.232+00:002012-03-11T15:57:08.232+00:00I agree with everything you have said and the abil...I agree with everything you have said and the ability of Roman Catholics to ignore the obvious baffles me. When an RC uses the word Tradition what he really means is "what the current pope teaches today." If the same pope teaches something else completely different tomorrow, then that will be Tradition tomorrow. No objective substance or content. Michael Davies once wrote about the priest who received him into the Roman Church praising the traditional rite for its antiquity and universality. When the Novus Ordo was introduced the same priest told him, "Well, thank God all that old rubbish is gone." That is the attitude one has to cultivate to be an RC, and pardon me for finding it more than a trifle batty. What would they do if a pope went mad and announced from the balcony of St. Peter's that there was no God but Allah and Muhammad is his prophet. Starting buying prayer rugs, that is what they would do.Tawserhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12823690750419031274noreply@blogger.com