tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8192580971664762668.post8173939483590002020..comments2023-06-01T09:22:18.917+01:00Comments on Liturgiae Causa: Trado, tradere...Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8192580971664762668.post-1294504672456153722011-11-29T12:21:51.315+00:002011-11-29T12:21:51.315+00:00Iuventutem London,
Ent is Old English for '&#...Iuventutem London,<br /><br />Ent is Old English for ''giant.'' It's my quirky way of saying let's leave it to Tolkien to sort out, I guess.Patrick Sheridanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07995907911415177074noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8192580971664762668.post-31924652414365937402011-11-29T12:20:25.813+00:002011-11-29T12:20:25.813+00:00"Do they vainly suppose that their traditiona...<i>"Do they vainly suppose that their traditionalism would be a homecoming?"</i><br />Cf all those patronizing cries of "welcome home" to Anglicans joining the Ordinariate.<br /><br />As to the Filioque; I think the Orthodox theologian Evdokimov said that a "Spirituque" is theologically implied in the Creed, and provides the necessary balance.Little Black Sambohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16699227938165106710noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8192580971664762668.post-39186943726974719122011-11-29T01:29:24.733+00:002011-11-29T01:29:24.733+00:00Who are the Ents?Who are the Ents?Juventutem Londonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00256922371357529056noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8192580971664762668.post-56083922706710634832011-11-28T21:31:24.694+00:002011-11-28T21:31:24.694+00:00The Orthodox "through the Son" and Catho...The Orthodox "through the Son" and Catholic "and the Son" are theologically compatible. Rome could drop the <i>filioque</i>, teach "through the Son", and maintain the integrity of its pneumatic and trinitarian theology. Most of the heresies that Rome has dealt with over the centuries have to do with the theology of the sacraments, especially the Eucharist. The Orthodox struggled gravely with trinitarianism for centuries. It's not surprising that the <i>filioque</i> is a strongly-held position in the East given that the first millennium of Eastern Christianity was an endless argumentative roundabout about the persons of the Trinity. <br /><br />The Mass and the Divine Liturgy are the same event which appear different when viewed from diverse angles. The western sacrifice emphasizes the Son's propitiation without direct reference to the Holy Spirit (some medieval Orthodox theologians have claimed that <i>supplices te rogamus</i> is a weak epiclesis). The eastern sacrifice emphasizes the descent of the Holy Spirit over the gifts with a weak emphasis on propitiation. No orthodox Eastern Christian would deny that the Eucharist is Calvary (as we would put it). Nevertheless, the Eastern eucharistic is profoundly pneumatic and trinitarian when compared to the theology of the Roman Canon. Some Romans may rationalize <i>filioque</i> as trivial perhaps because western eucharistic theology is weakly pneumatic. <br /><br />Also: why the heck would the Orthodox want to reunite with the Romans after our botched experiment in postmodern liturgy? I mean, "liturgical dance", laypeople handling Our Lord, Communion in the hand, and priests who act like they're channeling Oprah? Our Eastern brethren know better than to get involved with the Roman liturgical trainwreck.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8192580971664762668.post-70718948815577517112011-11-28T14:48:18.385+00:002011-11-28T14:48:18.385+00:00tradidistitradidistiAlex Ferrarahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11967379435284682150noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8192580971664762668.post-62911450662790762822011-11-28T08:42:32.137+00:002011-11-28T08:42:32.137+00:00I think perhaps you were accused of protestantism ...I think perhaps you were accused of protestantism not to identify you with the specific list of heresies associated with it, but with their unifying and defining feature: protest. (It must be said that your list certainly looks like one of things which protestants don't do, but I am sure you can find some who believe all of that.)<br /><br />To whether we Romans understand Tradition: yes, but not necessarily as you do.<br /><br />Your point on the filioque is well-made. Please be assured of my prayers..https://www.blogger.com/profile/04611694996611765479noreply@blogger.com