tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8192580971664762668.post8527394491574933718..comments2023-06-01T09:22:18.917+01:00Comments on Liturgiae Causa: "Traditional morning office"...Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8192580971664762668.post-18197849095882665382015-03-31T20:28:32.443+01:002015-03-31T20:28:32.443+01:00Traditionalism really has degenerated into tribali...Traditionalism really has degenerated into tribalism. The demographic has transformed beyond recognition. Years ago there were decent, honourable and intelligent traditionalists with liturgical standards. Now traddieland is full of neo-con riff raff who find the "extraordinary form" attractive (out of sheer liturgical ignorance). Time was when you could safely question the doctrinal and liturgical integrity of the new rites (including '62), not to mention modern Roman orders; now that is unthinkable.<br /><br />The legal positivism will eventually stifle Traddieland until it implodes. Rome's strategy towards them since 1984 has been a strict 1962 line and since then there has been compromise after compromise for a sake of concord with the pope. When Rome imposes a common kalendar and the ritus servandus of, say, 1967, who's to say they won't accept it? Fifty years from to-day they will all be doing the Novus Ordo like everyone else and they won't even have been in any sense conscious of the shift in their own principles - not that they have any.Patrick Sheridanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07995907911415177074noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8192580971664762668.post-75723114185061723272015-03-31T20:18:51.926+01:002015-03-31T20:18:51.926+01:00In some respects, it's like Nazism. So long as...In some respects, it's like Nazism. So long as they all think alike and make the sieg heil salute to every papal pronouncement (well, when it's the right pope...), the rite itself matters not. And the cult of the pope plays a significant part. They practically worship Ratzinger! God bless our Holy Father Pope Francis, gloriously reigning, who couldn't give a shite!Patrick Sheridanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07995907911415177074noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8192580971664762668.post-36598113988380455072015-03-31T20:11:27.833+01:002015-03-31T20:11:27.833+01:00Well, of course. What is actually celebrated is i...Well, of course. <i>What</i> is actually celebrated is in many ways irrelevant. The attraction is the identification with 'traditional' and making a protest against the SVC. The fact that <i>Tenebrae</i> almost certainly was never celebrated at 9:00am before 1956 really is of no consideration. It's before the Council so it must be traditional by their 'logic'. Rubricariushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05050302650867319277noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8192580971664762668.post-18220267837789013712015-03-31T15:58:02.028+01:002015-03-31T15:58:02.028+01:00Why bother? That's what I don't understand...Why bother? That's what I don't understand. If you said to any of them, why not have Mattins and Lauds of Epiphany with the Blessing of the Water they'd look aghast at you. But where the Pacelli reforms come in, they just lap it up. It's this kind of attitude that shews most clearly that Tradition is dead in the Papal communion.Patrick Sheridanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07995907911415177074noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8192580971664762668.post-89634165850049068562015-03-31T15:55:35.611+01:002015-03-31T15:55:35.611+01:00And I bet that other church does the post-1911 psa...And I bet that other church does the post-1911 psalms for Lauds and cuts a few Miserere's. Talk about Do-it-yourself, half-a-job Bob, cowboys. Dress a pig in a lace cotta and call it Tradition.Patrick Sheridanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07995907911415177074noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8192580971664762668.post-80127326361765443282015-03-31T15:44:49.839+01:002015-03-31T15:44:49.839+01:00At least the line in Spanish is honest!At least the line in Spanish is honest!Rubricariushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05050302650867319277noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8192580971664762668.post-35835959792942378842015-03-31T15:09:34.721+01:002015-03-31T15:09:34.721+01:00Yes this is becoming all-too-common, if you peruse...Yes this is becoming all-too-common, if you peruse the Holy Week schedules posted on Rorate Caeli, etc. At one point a few years ago I bugged the local ICRSS priests about doing Tenebrae, and they finally decided to do it once - on Holy Saturday at 9am! And this from men who have nothing positive to say about the Pacellian changes, even more. There is even another Church in the diocese which does Tenebrae at the correct time. It is bizarre.Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13240425842855092083noreply@blogger.com