A local Methodist decided to offer ashes to people passing by. You didn't even have to get out of the car, apparently. Ash Wednesday is ridiculously popular in my town because the lapsed Catholics and the Protestants all feel welcomed to participate. I suspect the Methodist minister was trying a bit of competitive innovation.
Such a commemoration does seem unusual. I wonder why they've done that. Oh well.
August, I'm not sure about the "drive by" ashing that I've been hearing about. It seems to remove the summit of the penitential act from the actual prayers and readings that call the spirit to that point in the first place. To my mind, at least, that is the only context in which this has meaning.
Perhaps 'Z' is having an anticipated April Fool's day joke with his readers or shewing coded contempt for the 1962 books and wanting to say the red and do the black?
FROM http://ordorecitandi.blogspot.com/2012/02/feria-iv-cinerum-ash-wednesday.html
Vespers are first Vespers of the following feast of St. Peter Damian with a corresponding colour change to white. Commemorations are sng of the feria is (the antiphon on the Magnificat and collect are proper) and of St. Peter and of St. Paul.
Pete, I guess because that is a typographical error, probably due to a fault in the editing process rather than a lack of knowledge of English grammar and syntax. Zed is just ignorant.
The feast of St. Peter's Chair at Antioch becomes simplified this year due to its occurrence with a privileged greater ferial day and it thus loses both Vespers. Vespers on Wednesday were first Vespers of the following day's feast of St. Peter Damian with commemorations of the feria and of both Sts. Peter and Paul.
'Z' is constantly promoting the use of the 1960s liturgy. In that rite the second class feast of St. Peter's Chair is simply omitted this year. Vespers of Wednesday, following the 1960s liturgy, would have been ferial without any commemorations.
The only way one would have had Vespers of St. Peter' Chair at Antioch would have been by following the pre-1911 liturgical books wherein a greater-double feast falling on Ash Wednesday would be transferred to the first free day. If that day were the 23rd then on Ash Wednesday afternoon Vespers would be first Vespers of St. Peter's Chair at Antioch.
Rubricarius... "The only way one would have had Vespers of St. Peter' Chair at Antioch would have been by following the pre-1911 liturgical books wherein a greater-double feast falling on Ash Wednesday would be transferred to the first free day. If that day were the 23rd then on Ash Wednesday afternoon Vespers would be first Vespers of St. Peter's Chair at Antioch."
The better praxis no doubt! But there again you are a pastor, Christian and a gentleman. I understand the issue of this post to be about porcine ignorance.
I can't imagine which ORDO the infamous Father Zed follows... and which Rite... but in all Ordo's of the Roman Rite the Mass and Office of Ash Wednesday, being a Feria Privilegiata, take precedence over any and all Feasts. In some cases the Cathedra can be transferred to the following day, such as in churches staffed by the priests of the FSSP.
Patricius: this did cause me to almost fall of my chair from laughter!
Michael: well, you may wonder, but if memory serves it's just plain wrong. Even the FSSP has to move the Chair of St Peter (normally 22. Feb.) to the next day.
Even without following Divino Afflatu style rubrics one can see that, as Rubricarius says, Ash Wednesday is a privileged Feria. One would expect that anyway, ne c'est pas? Can one imagine a Church Year with an impeded Ash Wednesday!?
A local Methodist decided to offer ashes to people passing by. You didn't even have to get out of the car, apparently. Ash Wednesday is ridiculously popular in my town because the lapsed Catholics and the Protestants all feel welcomed to participate. I suspect the Methodist minister was trying a bit of competitive innovation.
ReplyDeleteSuch a commemoration does seem unusual. I wonder why they've done that. Oh well.
ReplyDeleteAugust, I'm not sure about the "drive by" ashing that I've been hearing about. It seems to remove the summit of the penitential act from the actual prayers and readings that call the spirit to that point in the first place. To my mind, at least, that is the only context in which this has meaning.
Perhaps 'Z' is having an anticipated April Fool's day joke with his readers or shewing coded contempt for the 1962 books and wanting to say the red and do the black?
ReplyDeleteI'm saying nothing!
ReplyDeleteFROM http://ordorecitandi.blogspot.com/2012/02/feria-iv-cinerum-ash-wednesday.html
ReplyDeleteVespers are first Vespers of the following feast of St. Peter Damian with a corresponding colour change to white. Commemorations are sng of the feria is (the antiphon on the Magnificat and collect are proper) and of St. Peter and of St. Paul.
How is this different from Z?
Pete, I guess because that is a typographical error, probably due to a fault in the editing process rather than a lack of knowledge of English grammar and syntax. Zed is just ignorant.
ReplyDeletePete,
ReplyDeleteIt is very different.
The feast of St. Peter's Chair at Antioch becomes simplified this year due to its occurrence with a privileged greater ferial day and it thus loses both Vespers. Vespers on Wednesday were first Vespers of the following day's feast of St. Peter Damian with commemorations of the feria and of both Sts. Peter and Paul.
'Z' is constantly promoting the use of the 1960s liturgy. In that rite the second class feast of St. Peter's Chair is simply omitted this year. Vespers of Wednesday, following the 1960s liturgy, would have been ferial without any commemorations.
The only way one would have had Vespers of St. Peter' Chair at Antioch would have been by following the pre-1911 liturgical books wherein a greater-double feast falling on Ash Wednesday would be transferred to the first free day. If that day were the 23rd then on Ash Wednesday afternoon Vespers would be first Vespers of St. Peter's Chair at Antioch.
Rubricarius...
ReplyDelete"The only way one would have had Vespers of St. Peter' Chair at Antioch would have been by following the pre-1911 liturgical books wherein a greater-double feast falling on Ash Wednesday would be transferred to the first free day. If that day were the 23rd then on Ash Wednesday afternoon Vespers would be first Vespers of St. Peter's Chair at Antioch."
...exactly what we did in the ORCCE!
Mgr. Jerome,
ReplyDeleteThe better praxis no doubt! But there again you are a pastor, Christian and a gentleman. I understand the issue of this post to be about porcine ignorance.
Zed's blog has been more about reactionary politics lately than liturgy. He's not worth bothering with 99% of the time.
ReplyDeleteI can't imagine which ORDO the infamous Father Zed follows... and which Rite... but in all Ordo's of the Roman Rite the Mass and Office of Ash Wednesday, being a Feria Privilegiata, take precedence over any and all Feasts. In some cases the Cathedra can be transferred to the following day, such as in churches staffed by the priests of the FSSP.
ReplyDeletePatricius: this did cause me to almost fall of my chair from laughter!
ReplyDeleteMichael: well, you may wonder, but if memory serves it's just plain wrong. Even the FSSP has to move the Chair of St Peter (normally 22. Feb.) to the next day.
Even without following Divino Afflatu style rubrics one can see that, as Rubricarius says, Ash Wednesday is a privileged Feria. One would expect that anyway, ne c'est pas? Can one imagine a Church Year with an impeded Ash Wednesday!?